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Greatest astronomical innovation

By far,the greatest innovation since the telescope is sequential

imaging or time lapse footage which allows genuine astronomers to

condense what are long term observations into easily manageable form.

It allows observers to ascertain two types of retrogrades with two

unique solutions although tied into a moving Earth sandwiched between

the inner and outer planets.

All it needs are people who can put them into the science curriculum

where students will enjoy this type of challenge.

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  1. admin says:

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    On Monday, June 10, 2013 9:13:57 AM UTC-7, oriel36 wrote:

    > By far,the greatest innovation since the telescope is sequential

    > imaging or time lapse footage which allows genuine astronomers to

    > condense what are long term observations into easily manageable form.

    > It allows observers to ascertain two types of retrogrades with two

    > unique solutions although tied into a moving Earth sandwiched between

    > the inner and outer planets.

    > All it needs are people who can put them into the science curriculum

    > where students will enjoy this type of challenge.

    By far, the greatest errors ever made in astronomy by a human are yours, where you consistently misinterpret those otherwise perfectly good images and/or graphics into theories that are just not correct. You have already been shown multiple definitions of the word ‘retrograde’, and NONE of them include the word ‘Earth’, simply because the Earth is not required for retrograde motion to show up, it can be shown to happen between any planet of your choosing and any other planet in our solar system, but you are just too stubborn to agree with any other person on our planet. You have also been shown graphics that clearly indicate that it makes no difference whether the retrograde observer is on the inferior planet looking outwards or the exterior planet looking inwards, the resulting retrograde imaginary motion looks the same, and the same word ‘retrograde’ with the exact same definition works just fine. There are NOT 2 types of retrograde, and it matters not whether you agree with this fact. This important to you just why?

    Come to your senses, man, it is a very easy concept to learn and understand, and you only look more and more foolish every time you come forward with another lame statement. Their is no shame in coming late to the party, and you don’t even need to sneak in the back door.

    I spent a very pleasant night in the desert with my 25" telescope, where it was very dark with shirt-sleeve temperatures all night, viewing all kinds of cool and interesting objects, some of them old friends and some of them equally cool and wondrous new friends. Included on the list this month was Saturn… now in retrograde! For someone residing on Saturn, or on one if its moons, they would see Earth in retrograde, too!

    I have so many friends in the night sky that I can’t keep many their names straight, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t enjoy their company just the same. You should try it sometime, for me it is the ultimate attitude-adjuster.

    "I make progress by having people around who are smarter than I am – and listening to them. And I assume that everyone is smarter about something than I am."

    – Henry J. Kaiser

    \Paul A

  2. admin says:

    On Monday, June 10, 2013 1:48:01 PM UTC-7, oriel36 wrote:

    > … It means that Mercury has been moving forward in one direction against

    > the stellar background and is now moving in the opposite direction

    > hence the orbital motion of the Earth has little to do with

    > retrogrades in this case unlike the retrogrades in the outer planet

    > where the faster Earth’s motion is dominant.

    WHAT!!!! Are you changing horses in mid-stream again? What do you mean, "the orbital motion of the Earth has little to do with retrogrades in this case"? Of course it does! Why oh why wouldn’t it? Just what does "dominant" have to do with anything? Just because Mercury is moving faster than the Earth does not at all mean the motion of the Earth can be totally discounted. The result, after all, is that for a period of time Mercury moves one way WRT to background stars, then the other way, then the first way again… which is RETROGRADE!

    http://tinyurl.com/mzjfvnw

    I know, the above comes from an astrology page, but this graphic is accurate in any case… and clearly shows the retrograde loop, cause by the relative motions of both Earth and Mercury. BOTH!

    Isn’t that what we have been talking about? What are you thinking? Oh wait, you are clearly not thinking at all. Do you come up with these off-the-wall completely whacky statements just to see what reaction you might get? If so, YOU WIN! On the other hand, do you really enjoy appearing to be so completely stoooooped? If so, YOU WIN AGAIN!

    > This should be pure joy to any astronomer and its is a particularly

    > 21st century insight made possible by sequential imaging,only sour and

    > dour folk would dare dispute it.

    Oh man, it is so clear that you have no insight whatsoever. I’ll guess you have a little piece of paper that you refer to often that says "breathe in, breathe out", otherwise you might keel over several times a day… I can’t believe you said what you said.

    You might want to post this on a lot of different forums here so that a lot more people will get their Big Laugh of the Day… I just can’t believe you said that, recorded here in posterity forever…

    This is just for you, from one of the highest IQ’s in all of history…

    "There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity."

    – Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

    And this is just for you, too… just because…

    "Be pitiful, for every man is fighting a hard battle."

    ~John Watson, 1897, commonly attributed to Plato as "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle."

    \Paul A

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    On Monday, June 10, 2013 5:15:00 PM UTC-7, oriel36 wrote:

    > There is not the slightest hint of personal animosity and a great deal

    > of hope that people will eventually recognize the new innovations that

    > imaging and the internet brings to astronomy to draw people outside

    > and look at the planets,not just the magnification exercise but the

    > higher reasoning involved in  21st century interpretative astronomy.

    On Monday, June 10, 2013 5:15:00 PM UTC-7, oriel36 wrote:
    > There is not the slightest hint of personal animosity and a great deal

    > of hope that people will eventually recognize the new innovations that

    > imaging and the internet brings to astronomy to draw people outside

    > and look at the planets,not just the magnification exercise but the

    > higher reasoning involved in  21st century interpretative astronomy.

    Gerald, without the slightest hint of personal animosity and a great deal of hope that you will get eventually recognize that is past time to get back on the proper medications, I bid you adieu… although it is a lot of fun trying to get you straightened out, no amount of logic and/or evidence can make the slightest dent in your monsterous bullet-proof Ego and there is nothing that I or anyone can say or do to make you understand how totally and overwhelmingly incorrect you are about just about everything that emerges from your keyboard.

    There seems to be no hope whatsoever for you.

    I surely pity your children.

    Have a nice day.

    http://xkcd.com/675/

    \Paul A

  4. admin says:

    There are a number of follow-up issues which discriminate the inner

    and outer planetary retrogrades and their causes.Even the great

    Galileo found it difficult to deal with the inner retrogrades as

    different even though nowadays that difficulty is assuaged with

    animations and sequential imaging -

    "Now what is said here of Jupiter is to be understood of Saturn and

    Mars also. In Saturn these retrogressions are somewhat more frequent

    than in Jupiter, because its motion is slower than Jupiter’s, so that

    the Earth overtakes it in a shorter time. In Mars they are rarer, its

    motion being faster than that of Jupiter, so that the Earth spends

    more time in catching up with it. Next, as to Venus and Mercury, whose

    circles are included within that of the Earth, stoppings and

    retrograde motions appear in them also, due not to any motion that

    really exists in them, but to the annual motion of the Earth. This is

    acutely demonstrated by Copernicus " Galileo

    The inner retrogrades where Venus and Mercury are seen to move in one

    direction against the stellar background,stop and move in the other

    direction is almost a nightly snapshot of their actual motions around

    the Sun as they  career out from behind the Sun and swerve back

    towards the front of the Sun.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MdFrE7hWj0A

    http://www.masil-astro-imaging.com/SWI/UV%20montage%20flat.jpg

    Of course the apparent retrograde motions of the inner planets  are

    best referenced to the central Sun whereas the outer retrogrades

    reference the Earth’s orbit against the slower motions of

    Mars,Jupiter,Saturn ect. in that the Earth overtakes these planets.

    In short,it is a fun astronomical thing to work with sequential

    imaging, put motions in context  and make the clear distinction so

    that when they eventually look out at the Earth from Mars,they will

    see planetary phases and aside from a small input due to the orbital

    motion of Mars,they will see the direct motion of the Earth as it

    swings around the Sun in its clearest form just as we see now of

    Venus.

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